Lawson’s Facebook Coordinator: “Sic ‘em boys” re Christian Chuck Campbell
Searching the internet I found how the Libertarians call the dogs out on their opponents, in this case me.
Read the bold highlighted post of Mavtek which I have cut and pasted below.
Interesting that BJ Lawson denies being a Libertarian, yet his call for bloggers to respond is posted by his Facebook Coordinator on a Ron Paul, Libertarian site!
Hey, if you’re afraid to say who you really are, then maybe there’s a good reason for the deception?
“Mavtek” seems to be fairly representative of their disdain for orthodox Christians and our Biblical perspective on homosexuality, or what God calls in Leviticus 18:22 “a detestable sin”.
I am not afraid of nor will I retreat from the fight. Neither do I loose sleep worrying about gays like Mavtek.
In the words of that great Navy sailor and patriot, John Paul Jones “I have not yet begun to fight!”
***Beginning the quote from the Ron Paul Forum by Lawson’s Facebook Coordinator (bold font emphasis not added but original):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1362049
# chuckcampbell
March 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
BJ, would you then be in favor of a Constitutional Amendment to eliminate so-called “anchor babies” as Ron Paul has advocated? …
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The Marriage Amendment is the benchmark for a social conservative!
Are you with us or against us?
Chuck Campbell
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Finally a proud Republican…
when we defend our Judeo-Christian values
Chuck is an idiot. Does he really believe that “gay people” are attempting to grow their ranks through public schools? If this is the case why are so few of them becoming teachers? Does Chuck actually believe that someone can become homosexual by choice? One wonders if Chuck feels as though he maybe susceptible to having sexual relations with another man. If he doesn’t then surely he can’t possibly believe that homosexuality is by choice.
http://mavtek.townhall.com***End quoteWill any conservative Christians respond to this tripe? Hope so, but if not, I will stand for truth alone.Chuck Campbell
March 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Chuck,
Your characterization of my post on Ron Paul Forums as “sick ‘em’ boys” is very accurate. I think blogs are a great place to express thought, as I’m sure you’d agree. That’s probably why you have one. As such, and along with my desire to keep people informed of what’s being said about BJ as the campaign progresses, I posted your last blog entry on BJ on the forums. I also encouraged people to share their thoughts. I stress, however, that I did not, nor have I ever, attacked you and in fact stated in my post “feel free to share your thoughts with Chuck. Remember to be polite and thoughtful, not rude and immature.”
I stress the latter sentence. I also think that all of the comments made to your last entry were polite and thoughtful, as were the replies to my thread on Ron Paul Forums with the exception of the comment made by Mavtek. I don’t condone his comments and they were exactly what I was hoping would be avoided.
I prefer civil discourse, not any kinds of personal attacks or assaults.
Happy Easter!
March 21st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
By the way, I hope you picked up the sarcasm in my first sentence above
March 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
well i guess i should put a disclaimer right here: i’m a christian, a supporter of bj lawson and a friend of garland ragland.
now, with that out of the way i’d like to address a couple of things in regards to this post. first of all, i see nothing in garlands post on the ron paul forums that can be twisted into a “sick ‘em boys” attitude or tone. he clearly asks all of those who read the blog to be polite and respectful should they choose to comment on your blog. his exact words were:
“Feel free to share your thoughts with Chuck. Remember to be polite and thoughtful, not rude and immature.”
i see no call to action here, no command to fight, no “sick ‘em boys” attitude here.
also, since you fail to mention this, mavtex doesn’t speak for bj lawson, nor his campaign. garland, lawson’s facebook coordinator that you mention here, writes under the name “fireofliberty” on the ron paul forums. neither of his posts on this particular thread personally attack you or anything of the sort.
mavtek doesn’t speak for everyone on those forums, and he doesn’t speak for garland ragland. it was unfair and unprofessional for you to portray his comments as such.
happy easter.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Hi Chuck~
While anchor babies are a nightmare, doesn’t that have a little more to do with Constitutional misinterpretation than than the lack of a Constitutional amendment? Sometimes there might be other solutions. Illegal immigration is a huge problem. If we wait around for very difficult Constitutional amendments to be passed for every big problem we have, we might, well, enjoy very little success in our endeavors.
We can hash that out a little bit in person if you like. I imagine that while we might disagree on some things, we probably agree on quite a lot, in particular that we would both like to see Price, after 22 years of very little regard for the Constitution, retire.
Or did you want to see another Republican lose NC-4 with only 35% of the vote?
~Alex
March 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Hi Chuck,
Several thoughts on your recent posts:
First, Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian, he only RAN as a Libertarian in ‘88. (Wish I had known about him then, I would have voted for him!) The Ron Paul Forums are NOT Libertarian forums. Libertarians as a party are “pro-choice” on abortion and Dr. Paul is PRO-LIFE! It would be much more accurate to refer to Dr. Paul as pro-Constitution and pro-liberty. Garland Ragland did not “sic” anyone on you; he asked for polite responses. Have you received any that were not polite?
Second, MANY different types of people are for Dr. Paul’s message of liberty and a return to the Constitution. Garland Ragland is in no way, shape, or fashion responsible for mavtek’s post on the Ron Paul forums. Personally, I disagree with mavtek. I believe the gay community IS using the public school system to advance their agenda. BUT that doesn’t mean that mavtek has no right to make his voice heard. IF he engages in gay “activities” then that is sinful behavior. Chuck, have you never sinned? There are no big sins or small sins–sin is SIN and it ALL separates us from God. The fact that you and I have accepted Christ’s precious offer to atone for our sins and have trusted Him as our Lord and Savior is OUR business. That mavtek apparently has not, is not a black mark against Dr. Paul or Mr. Ragland.
My last point addresses your comment that “These schools which the poor and people like myself are trapped into sending our children to attend.” My family is very much in the low income levels, and though it was difficult, we refused to be trapped in public schools and HOMESCHOOLED our child. We chose to take responsibility for his education instead of letting the government indoctrinate him. Since you are opposed to this indoctrination as I am, I am surprised that you are not in favor of Dr. Paul’s proposal to get rid of the Dept of Education and return responsibility for education to the states where it belongs.
I think you owe it to yourself and your children to take off your “Libertarian” blinders and objectively look at what Dr. Paul stands for. BJ Lawson is exactly the kind of person we NEED in Congress. I wish I were in the 4th district so I could vote for him!
Blessed Easter,
Bev Cotter
March 24th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Chuck how interesting that you have taken what I put on a forum and somehow taken it to mean that I am somehow “gay”. You didn’t imply you out and out defamed me by calling me a “gay”. I’m not sure how you took what I stated to be in anyway an admittance of homosexuality, but I can assure you I am a happily married man (to a woman) with 2 wonderful daughters, one newborn and one a very rambunctious 2 year old. Now I don’t know you, nor do I want to, but what you have stated about me is defamation and according to my Attorney as you posted it on a Blog it is Libel. He told me to send you this link if you’d like more information.
http://www.attorneys-usa.com/intentional/defamation.html
You see your “Blog” is considered a media outlet in court. Where as a forum is considered semi public/private discussion group among peers without a 3rd party present (Hence why I can call you an idiot without libel). You are perfectly welcome to take my statements from that forum or my blog and use them how you like. The problem is you have posted a link to my blog, on a conservative blog portal I might add, this blog is registered and linked back to my personal information. Unfortunately I’m not able to immediately file suit against you on Monday when my county court office opens as you unfortunately have 48 hours to either remove, or recant your defamation according to North Carolina statute. If you were in Texas as I am I could not only file against you, but the radio station you work for as well. I’m lucky my Family has the services of a firm who is able to give us immediate advice via cell phone. Although I must admit he seemed upset when I called him on Easter Sunday (I blame you for this). Also I, or my attorney must notify you before your time expires so please consider this your notification. Suffice it to say I’m writing this letter with a bit of anger, if my attorney is forced to write this letter I will not only be angry but I will be determined.
Now to stipulate where I believe the church and state should stand on gay marriage. I believe the Church and Conservatives like myself should be strongly against gay marriage or it’s derivatives as it is clearly a sin. In my personal opinion homosexuality is an illness, similar to mental retardation. I for one can not possibly believe that one would want to lie with another of the same sex unless there is indeed something mentally, physically, or chemically wrong with them. Do you consider yourself having the ability to consider doing that without your judgment being seriously altered? This is what I implied. Now are we to assume Jesus advocated Christians use the power of the state to persecute those with a sickness or even those that have sinned? We all sin Chuck, if it is eating too much that is gluttony, calling in sick when you are not is sloth. Sins against oneself are between you and god, the state need not be concerned unless you commit sin against another. Chuck as a minister you should be concerned with those in your church and what you can do to help those that are sinning against themselves. How do you or anyone else for that matter ask the state to limit their size and power if we give them the power to dictate how we act, think, or treat ourselves? In California they have all but outlawed homeschooling, reference to God in our pledge of allegiance is being attacked, the 10 Commandments along with crosses on public property are stricken from sight. Now you want to give the state the power to literally dictate an institution that has been defined by the church for thousands of years.
Can you please tell me how giving the state more power is Conservative? Do you not see the hypocrisy of your mandate that the state should dictate our morals? You say the Muslims and Sharia law are extremists, how do you define yourself?
Ask yourself what would Jesus do? Would he walk, eat, and accept Homosexuals as God’s children?
Luke Chapter 15:1-10
Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering round to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners, and eats with them.” Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbours together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. “Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbours together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
Interesting how Jesus and the Religious of his time regarded the “Tax Collector” as a sinner for his very occupation. Now you sir want to essentially give this person the right to mandate moral code for some 400 million Americans in 50 very diverse states with thousands of cities that by democracy define moral code and law for themselves. One might ask what Jesus thinks of you and your desire to give the sinner the power to dictate what is law and moral code for our extremely diverse country.
Chuck you clearly lack the knowledge of 2 very important things in which you speak of. The 1st thing is Jesus, the 2nd is Libertarianism. When you speak of Christianity you are proud to tell us what it means to be Christian. Then you are proud to tell us ways in which we can enforce your version of “Christianity”. Unfortunately what you misunderstand is enforcement by the state is not Christianity, it is in fact the antithesis of what is Christian. What you call for is tyranny by men, as government is run by men and not God. You see Freedom, Liberty, and Christianity are of the same cloth. True Christians can be nothing but Libertarians. This will be hard for you to accept, but if you truly want to know what it means to have faith in Jesus and you truly believe he is your savior then study his actions and you will come to know this is true.
Sincerely, Mavtek
PS I only ask you remove the insulting remark about me being “gay”, the rest you can do as you please. Yes I asked what Jesus would do and he would only ask that you not slander him in Public. If you do not comply I will ask the Public to help defend me in this matter, as I also believe Jesus would do.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
My dear Angry Mavtek:
“Be angry, and do not let the sun go down on your anger.” Jesus Christ.
Am I a child that you would intimidate me with idle threats? Or with lawyers? Jesus faced the Sanhedrin, the Judges and lawyers and did not back down. He also had to face down the Pharisees.
Libertarians like you impress me as religious zealots who, if you lived two thousand years ago, would be Pharisees.
This due to your zealous devotion to the 10th Amendment (again, it’s not the 10th Commandment–which as an aside can be taken as a prohibition against homosexuality because it states “You shall not covet your neighbor’s ass”!) Ironic and strange, but true!
So here’s my answer to your threat to sic your lawyers on me:
You say you are not gay, OK I believe you. Then are you bi-sexual or transsexual? You are at least an enabler of gays through your permissive political views as a licentious libertarian who would facilitate social anarchy.
If Mavtek sues me, and somehow gets me evicted from my rental house then I won’t have a bed to lay my head in, just like Jesus. But I’ll rejoice because I’ll still have a radio show, TV show, website, blog, podcasting; or at least a bull-horn, the God given revealed Truth, my ability to think clearly (I graduated Magna Cum Laude) and speak boldly:
“…Speak out when you have faith that God is speaking through you.” Romans 12:6b NLT (that’s by God through Paul, but not Ron Paul!)
I have lawyers too! Some in elected office others at the ACLJ, ADF, Gibbs Law Firm, Christian Law Association, HSLDA, Rutherford Institute, Whitehead, et. al, and a few select local Republican attorneys who speak Latin, e.g., pro-bono.
Mavtek, I’m still not losing any sleep…”Rejoice when men say all manner of evil things about you for my namesake…….They will drag you into court where you will testify about me.” Jesus Christ, the only Lord I fear.
This is still America and we still have freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Besides you will need to convince a jury of 12 of my North Carolina redneck peers, not queers, to convict me!
I serve the God Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is seen and unseen, the Alpha and Omega, the One and Only, the Lilly of the Valley, the Wonderful Counselor, Almighty King, Lord of Lords, the Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Creator of Adam and Eve and Savior of Noah and his three sons and daughters, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Hear the words of the children of Israel when threatened by the evil king and you can substitute “Angry Mavtek” for every place you read “king”:
Daniel Chapter 3 “16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”
Go ahead, make me a Christian martyr!
I could use the publicity to take my radio and TV shows national! LOL!
My name is Chuck Campbell and I reside in the Raleigh, North Carolina area…that’s Wake County if you need to send your lawyers to attack me because you are too weak in logic or insecure in your manhood to take it like a man.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Angry Mavtek:
You state “You see Freedom, Liberty, and Christianity are of the same cloth. True Christians can be nothing but Libertarians.” I totally disagree. I think the labels should be done away with and people should run on what they believe, not try to fit into a political mold.
You also state: “One might ask what Jesus thinks of you and your desire to give the sinner the power to dictate what is law and moral code for our extremely diverse country.” Aren’t the laws for the protection of the people? Every law we have is based on someone’s moral standard. Are you suggesting we do away with all laws? That would sure be a hey-day for the murderers, robbers and rapists!
I am a Christian and a registered Independent. I also happen to be the wife of Chuck Campbell for 23 years (that’s right…Chuck’s wife is not a registered Republican). By the way, Chuck and I have 4 wonderful children that God has blessed us with.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Rather quickly:
Freedom of the Press does not include Slander, look it up. Mrs. Campbell, I do not advocate the absence of law. I’m not sure where you got that idea. I advocate that laws should be of a truly Christian ideal. Jesus wouldn’t advocate laws preventing ones from sinning against their own soul as God is their only witness. Laws should be used to protect you from the sins of others, not the sins of yourself, that is between you and god.